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  核心提示:在这样一个正规的场合,在这个举世关注的场合,英国人太过随意杂乱无章的表演让我并没有觉得有什么特别之处。这样的表演,即使不用经过专业训练,我相信在英国大街上可以随手抓一大批人都能够表演出来。

       不知道大家对北京奥运会闭幕式上的英国伦敦八分钟表演有何看法?是欣赏呢还是嗤之以鼻不过如此了?诚实地说,我原来对英国伦敦八分钟表演充满期待,以为它会给全世界带来惊奇及与众不同。

       中国在雅典奥运会闭幕式上的八分钟表演曾经让中国网民十分不满意,幸好张艺谋在北京奥运会的开幕式及闭幕式给了国人及世界一个绝好的交待。虽然中国在雅典的八分钟表演不是十分好,但是事过四年后,对比英国伦敦的八分钟表演,我才发现,英国的八分钟不是在同一个档次。不是我对西方反感之缘故,也不是我厚此薄彼的缘故,有比较才更清楚,英国伦敦的八分钟表演有些不堪入目。

       为何这么说?可能有人说,伦敦很后现代的八分钟表演是你看不懂之故。但是,在这样一个正规的场合,在这个举世关注的场合,英国人太过随意杂乱无章的表演让我并没有觉得有什么特别之处,似乎没有受过什么训练。这样的表演,即使不用经过专业训练,我相信在英国大街上可以随手抓一大批人都能够表演出来。一大群人在大巴前表演街头舞蹈(原谅我说其实在“乱舞”),没有什么章法,或许英国人崇尚自由吧,他们的表演一点都没有集体意识。对比中国在大型节目上的整齐划一,有气势,有创意,英国伦敦的表演绝对是不能比的。

    一些网民这样理解英国伦敦八分钟的表演,我倒有些赞同:

       1、巴士:英国巴士豪华
       2、伞:下雨记得打伞(气候多云多雨)
       3、报刊:人多别拥挤,别乱丢LJ(车站流动报刊)
      4、绅士:注意绅士风度,别乱挤巴士
      5、足球:别在车上踢足球(现代足球的诞生地)
      6、美女:性感
      7、音乐:激情
      原谅我的浅陋,这样“误解”伦敦表演。或许它的现代因素太多了,一点都没有英国深远的文化在内面展现,唯一的展现就是贝克汉姆所踢的那个足球,说明足球运动是发源于英国,其他似乎都于英国无关。

      希望四年后的英国,展现出来的开幕式闭幕式能够让世人叹为观止!

      附:英国人自己评论伦敦8分钟(来自网络)

       Oh my the Chinese will be a hard act to follow. What a shambles the
British effort was, very embarrassing indeed. A double decker bus, beckham, an xfactor winner, a sweaty aging rock star, dancers with umbrellas throwng newspapers everywhere. I guess a good symbol of modern day Britain. I fear  our efforts will always be second class to China. This might show new labour  off for what they are and what they have done to our once great country
  天啊,中国人的表演将是很难去学习,英国的表现是这么的丢脸,丢脸之极。一辆双层公交,贝克汉姆,一个选秀赢家,一个老摇滚明星,一群舞者拿这雨伞乱丢报纸,我猜这就是现代伦敦的标志。我恐怕我们的表现对比中国来说永远只能是二等。。。。 

       The dancing was a bit straggly in the " London " routine . After seeing
all the cyclists taking part,the Chinese will think "Nobody can afford cars
in London "
  伦敦的例行表演中登场的那些舞者简直就是群魔乱舞。眼看着那些骑着自行车的家伙也来凑热闹,中国人都会认为“伦敦人都买不起车啦”

       The British "teaser" was ok, but we were disappointed to see the
performer in the wheelchair was not in fact disabled but was leaping around
later in the dance.
  英国人还不赖,不过当我们发现那位坐轮椅的表演者根本不是残疾的时候--他在稍 后的舞蹈中到处蹦达来着 --- 好失望呀么好失望。 

        Did anyone else this the 'London 8 minutes' presentation was - dare I
say it - rubbish!? Leona sang her heart out on top of a ladder, on top of a
bus whilst 20 contemporary dancers did their stuff way below. It was just so
low key relative to what had gone on before it.
  这儿还有没有人也觉得这次“伦敦8分钟”表演根本就是--恕我直言--垃圾!? Leona站在那巴士顶上的高架子上唱歌,简直把她的小心肝都给吓破了;同时还有那20 来个家伙在底下伴舞。跟之前的那些表演相比,真是够丢分的了。 

       But oh, our offering at the closing ceremony was embarrassing.A red bus, a pop singer, an ageing rocker and an overpaid ball kicker was awful. Where was our great Island heritage portrayed in all this flummery?
  哦,我们在闭幕式上的表现真丢脸。一辆红吧是,一个流行歌手,一个摇滚老头,还有个我们付了太多薪水给他的踢球的家伙 -- 这一切都太糟糕了。在这堆乱七八糟的糟粕里头,我们这个伟大岛屿的传承却无处可见。

       Organisers - please do better for us in 2012.
  组织者 -- 行行好,好好干~在2012年给我们挣点脸

       And why can't Boris button his jacket? Too fat or bad tailoring?
  这句话是说他们市长的:为什么Boris上衣的扣子不扣起来?他太胖了还是衣服剪裁不合适?

       I've just watched the Olympic closing ceremony, and as I feared, Britain 's contribution was embarassing and totally pathetic - I just hope they manage to do better in 2012. It will obviously be impossible to rival the
spectacular pageant that Beijing provided, but I thought the dancing (if you
can call that dancing) and the Leona Lewis/Jimmy Page effort was just
pitiful. Hopefully, we can ditch all this government inspired 'Cool Britannia' garbage and present something a bit more slick and professional.
  刚看了闭幕式,跟我担心的一样,英国的表现真丢人而且完全令人失望,我只希望他们2012年能搞好点儿。很明显我们没法跟北京搞出的壮观场面好点,但我想那些舞蹈(如果你管那个叫舞蹈)和俩歌手的表演都很令人遗憾。希望我们能够摆脱政府提倡的那些“酷酷的大不列颠”的垃圾,展现一些更专业和娴熟(?)的东西

     I agree that Adrian Childs was poor: he seemed to think that he was on
the One Show.The London Bus routine was pretty much rubbish ... the music was poor and everything smacked of pop culture. Period.The Games themselves were superbly run. The BBC was teetering on the
brink of overblown nationalism, however.
  我也觉得Adrian Childs很可怜,他看上去以为自己是在个人秀。。
  伦敦巴士的演出特别垃圾,音乐很糟糕,所有一切都带着流行文化时代的味道。
  运动会本身搞得非常好,但bbc有过分的民族主义之嫌(是嫌bbc吹捧英国运动员太厉害?)

  I'm staying in Singapore and feel embarrassed to go to work tomorrow
after that dreadful showing by London 2012  
  我住在新加坡,在伦敦2012年可怕的表演过后我明天去工作的时候会感觉很尴尬。

  I live in Germany and, like the person from Singapore, will be ashamed
to meet my friends tomorrow  
  我住在德国,就像那个住新加坡人说的,明天去见朋友的时候会变的很丢脸。

       Jimmy Page and David Beckham have been massive icons of British popular culture. I'm not especially a fan of either, but they perfectly suited to
the ceremony.Not bothered either way about Leona whatshername, but the chief embarrassment, reducing us instantly to laughing stock of the world and diminishing at a stroke the achievements of our athletes, was the presence of Boris Bloody Johnson!!! This man symbolizes everything wrong with Britain - a deeply untalented buffoon, with a thoroughly sinister interior. Get him off the stage once and for all.
  Jimmy Page和贝壳都是英国流行文化的重大标志。我并不是他们的粉丝,但他们很适合这个演出。那个叫Leona啥啥的演出我也不觉得糟(就是那个独唱的mm),但是最大的丢人之处,直接把我们埋汰成全世界的笑料并且抹杀了我们的运动员取得的成绩的,就是那个虾米Boris Johnson(伦敦那个混混市长)的出现!这家伙象征着英国所有糟糕的东西 ——一个完全没有天赋的小丑,内心丑恶。把他永远逐出舞台吧!

  When I heard about the plans for the London presentation, including the "arrangement" of the national anthem and the rehashed 70s rock music, I thought "it can't possibly be as bad as I'm imagining it". Well, it wasn't.
It was a thousand, toe-curlingly hideous times worse. Against the dignity,
seriousness and power of the Chinese displays, it was so far beyond
embarrassing, my brain has already almost forgotten it, in a desperate
paroxysm of self-defence.
  当我听到伦敦发表的计划,包括“安排的”国歌和70年代的摇滚歌曲,我想这不可能比我想象的还要糟糕,好了,它不是,它是千万倍的更加糟糕。对比尊严的,严肃的和力量的中国表演,它比丢脸还要丢脸,在绝望的自我保护状态下,我的大脑已经将它忘记。

       omg, I hope our eight minutes during the closing ceremony is not a
foretaste of the tackiness to come in four years time. "  
  It felt a lot longer than eight minutes..... Every cringe and every gasp
of horror made it feel like a lifetime!  
  If that is all we have to offer, lets hope the rest of the world has
popped out down the pub when we take centre stage.  
  Our athletes deserve much better than this, they did us proud in Beijing
(lets not forget the Paralympics too) and will continue to do so.
  饿滴神,我希望闭幕式这8分钟不是预示着四年之后我们要展示出来的东西。
  这个感觉不止8分钟,希望我们跑上台去表演的时候世界上其他人都跑出去泡吧了……(哈哈)
  我们的运动员值得比这个好得多的东西,他们为我们在北京赢得了骄傲(别忘了还有残奥会)并且会继续这样做。

        Mind you, from the wretched logo to the vacuous miming chick to David Bloody Beckham, it was all a perfect reflection of London and England as they now are: cheap, tatty, shallow, and above all laughing enormously at their own jokes while the rest of the world looks on with contempt. Perfect.
  
  Now, 2012... where can I go to avoid it all? Please can I move to China?
  现在,2012--跑到哪里我可以完全的避开它?请问我能搬到中国去吗? 

        A beautifully organised Games all around, then Boris appears, jacket
undone, looking like a drunk who gatecrashed the party, what an
embarrassment  
  一个组织有序的美丽的运动会,然后Boris出现了,
  衣冠不整  
  像个酒鬼一样冲进了派对  
  多么令人羞耻啊!!!!!

  I have a Grandson living and working in Beijing and I only hope he stays under cover until the humilation dies down a little. It certainly will
never go away.   
  In 8 mins we have become the laughing stock of the world.  
  我有一个孙子生活和工作在北京,我只希望他在这丢人的气氛减小前藏好自己。它肯定永远不会消失。   
  在这8分钟,我们已成为世界笑柄

  I thought it was fine. Are we going to have to look forward to another
four years of whingeing about the Olympics? If so, I'm glad I'm living in
China.  
  (哈哈哈这大哥比较安心)
  我觉得不错,是不是我们不得不面对着另外四年关于奥运会的抱怨?如果是的,我很高兴我现在住在中国。 

 —— Leona! Poor girls must be so nervous!
  —— She sounds like a whale mating     
  I didn't think it was possibly but this both sucks and blows.    
  Grow up London 2012 and stop trying to be so 'cool'. This is
embarrassing.  
      —— 利昂娜!可怜的姑娘们很紧张吧!
  —— 她听起来像是只正在交配的鲸鱼  
      我都不忍心这么说,但是这个的确是又SB又NC
  成熟点,London 2012,别那么装酷。真丢人

  Funny how the Beijing Olympics had absolutely nothing to do with Beijing . They were all about China. But the London Olympics are apparently all about London.   
  有趣的是,北京奥运和北京没什么太大关系,而是关于整个中国。但是伦敦奥运很明显只和伦敦有关   

       Why don't my buses look like that?   
  汗,我坐的公交车怎么不像那个样子

  The Chinese did it again the closing was amazing. First class and out of this world. The one negative was the London Show what in the heck was that. In Athens when the Chinese did there welccome to show it was amazing and you knew you where going to get something special in Beijing. I hope that London does better than what they showed to-day.
  中国人又让他们的闭幕式(和开幕式一样)一样NB,世界一流甚至超越世界!唯一让人不爽恶心呕吐的是伦敦的8分钟。在雅典闭幕式的时候,中国人华丽丽滴欢迎表演,就让人知道北京会展现出他的特别之处。我希望伦敦会比我们今天所看到的做得好些。

  Replicate it, we don’t have a chance it hell. For one thing we’ll be
lucky to find 1% of the volunteers from Beijing. Perhaps all the people
claiming on benefits should be forced to volunteer !!!  
  Smith, London
  复制它,我们根本没TMD机会.其中一点如果我们走运的话我们能找到相当北京1%的志愿者.可能所有人都在抢夺本该属于志愿者的利益.

  Forget about the image of Myra Hindley. What about the image of some guy painting graffiti on a wall? What are we trying to say here? "Come to London, where criminal disfigurement of public property is welcomed and celebrated?!"  
  忘掉Myra Hindley的样子吧.看看那个一群人在墙上涂鸦的画面?我们到底想表现什么?来伦敦吧,这里毁坏公共财产的犯罪行为会受到欢迎.

        Dont know what to laugh more at - the tacky 8 minutes of rubbish the UK put on in Beijing or the smug comments on here about how "At least we are free.." Last time I looked the UK was the most watched (CCTV) nation on earth and we have a government that has used fear and hate to strip us of freedoms on a daily basis. The only difference between the UK and China is that they wasted billions more than we can afford to- but Im sure we'll waste as much as we can. But freedom?? Dont make me laugh!  
Terry Roberts, Shropshire
  不知道要嘲笑什么,在北京展示的英国垃圾8分钟还是这里自鸣得意的留言关于"至 少我们是自由的",最后一次我看到英国是地球上安装最多监视器(CCTV英国沿街安装的监视系统,不是中央台哦)的国家,利用恐怖和仇恨来控制我们的日常自由,中国和英国之间唯一的区别是他们用掉了比我们的承受能力还多的钱,但是我相信我们也会花费我们能用的每一分钱.但是自由,别让我笑了.

  The Chinese people seem to love all things western (David Beckham
included by the looks of it) but in return all we can do is bad mouth them
and show no respect. What does that say about us.  
  There’s an old saying, treat people the same as how you would like to be treated.  
  Rob, London   
  中国人似乎喜欢关于西方的所有事情(包括贝克汉姆),但是做为回报我们能做的只是说他们的坏话和不尊重.
  有句古语,用你期待别人对待你的方式来对待别人




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Oops, I forgot about the fireworks. Weren't they wonderful!  
  I was so impressed by how they managed to create the Olympic Rings in the sky - truly amazing.  
  Thank you China.  
  [cheesed-off], United Kingdom
  哦...我忘说烟花了,太漂亮了,
  他们是怎样把五环打在天空的,太不可思议了.  
  谢谢中国.
       In my time I've witnessed countless Royal Variety Performances and the opening ceremony of the Dome. This British fiasco was worse than any of them , and even at only eight minutes seemed interminable. No wonder London mayor Boris Johnson looked so uncomfortable beforehand. He must have known what was coming.
  俺目睹过无数的盛大演出也看了DOME(这个不大明白)的开幕式,这回英国的演出可真是一场彻头彻尾的失败,比我看过的那些演出中的任何一次都更糟糕,以至于演出虽然只有8分钟,都让人觉得冗长的无法忍受。怪不得伦敦市长包里斯囧孙在那之前看起来相当不爽-- 他一准是早就知道了接下来就要丢脸了。
    
  I have two tips for you, Boris. Keep your hands out of your pockets when attending high-profile events like this, and secondly fire whoever
responsible for this fiasco and hire proper showbiz professionals – from
Las Vegas if necessary – to handle the opening and closing ceremonies in
2012. Another toe-curling embarrassment like this would be unendurable.
  波利斯(伦敦市长),俺有两个锦囊妙计贡献给你:一,在如此盛大高端的场合下,丫儿地把手从你那兜兜里掏出来;二,赶紧炒了那个端出英国8分钟这么一锅垃圾的责任人,2012年英国办开幕式闭幕式的时候一定要雇些演艺圈里的专业人员--万不得已的时候从赌城拉斯维加斯找也成哪。咱谁也受不了到时候再来那么一出让人囧的脚趾头都抽抽的尴尬演出!!

  The closing ceremony was, as expected, spectacular and beautiful.
  闭幕式就像想象中的那样壮观和美丽

  I have just finished watching the Closing ceremony of the Beijing
Olympics. I must say that it was an incredible show from the beginning to
the end. The whole event went on very smoothly. I agree with the IOC
chairman that these games have opened China to the world and the world to China.
我刚刚看完北京奥运会的闭幕式。不得不说这是一场从头到尾都令人称奇的表演。整个表演尽展的很顺利。我同意国际奥组委的说法“这个奥运会会让中国与世界互相沟通”

  Thank you family of China. Thank you Beijing 2008.
  We are all Children of the World and China have proved that to us.
  All of the Olympians deserve credit for all the dedication and effort.
It is the Greatest Show on Earth. With the best of the best. 2012 will be a
great test for GB and as one Nation what a great challenge for us.
  谢谢你中国,谢谢你北京2008
  我们都是世界之子,中国向我们证明了这个道理。
  所有选手的努力都是值得的。这是地球上最伟大的盛会。最中之最。2012对英国来说是一个考研和挑战。
    
  Well done China on a fantastic organisation of the games which was
flawless and Team GB for their medal haul. Thank you China for putting the U .S into second place.
  (注意看最后一句 --)    
  中国在赛会的组织上干的棒极了,梦幻一般的毫无瑕疵。英国选手也一样。谢谢你,中国,你们让美国掉到第二的位置去了。
    
  Well done, China! You have given the world a magnificent Olympics
despite the efforts of the chattering classes in the Western media to
portray you as some Stalinist state.
  中国棒极了!你给了整个世界一个精彩绝伦的奥运会,与此同时西方媒体还在喋喋不休的努力把你塑造成斯大林主义似的的国家。

  The female who hugged Yao Ming was Lauren Jackson, an Australia
basketball player playing in WNBA. After Yao entered NBA, there was rumor she had a crush on Yao, but Yao turned her down. There were many gossip about them. So, seeing them hugging at the closing ceremony really really made me laugh, because 4 years ago, at the closing ceremony of Athens Olympic, Yao and his girlfriend 'Ye Li' came out together and that was the first time their relationship went public
(外国人也知道姚明的八卦啊)
  那个在闭幕式上拥抱姚明的女运动员是在WNBA打球的Lauren Jackson,当姚进入NBA打球时,他们曾经发生过一段绯闻,但是姚拒绝了她>_<看到他们在闭幕式上拥抱真是太好玩了,你知道四年前在雅典的闭幕式上,姚和他的女朋友叶莉第一次手牵手出现在公众面前

  What was that red bus /umbrella garbage all about? What an embarrassment for UK. It was not so much the pathetic handover performance that upset me, but the arrogant, rude and disgraceful behavior of London’s mayor Boris Johnson when attending the handover party in Bejing. Show some respect Mr BJ ! Beijing was a gracious host and deserves some praise at the handover.  
  Robert, Windsor
  TMD红色巴士和垃圾雨伞到底是虾米啊??!!真是给英国丢脸啊。从来没有比这次可怜的交接仪式更雷到我的了。而那个伦敦市长Boris Johnson 在北京闭幕式的交接仪式上无知、粗鲁和毫无尊重的表现更是丢人。给北京一点尊重吧!北京是个热情和蔼的主人,在交接仪式上值得尊重!!

       I see censorship and control by the state-owned media continues.
  Where is the report on the BBC website of the celebrations in the
Olympic borough of Waltham Forest being canceled because of yet another
knife murder, this time yards away from where the choir was supposed to sing to the cheering happy crowds in Walthamstow, who instead were replaced by the police investigating a crime scene. You couldn’t make it up. You really are a Ministry of Truth.    
  humble scholar, London, United Kingdom
  我发现国有媒体的管制和审查制度还在继续啊。
  BBC上关于Waltham Forest区庆祝奥运的评论都到哪里去了?因为另外一个持刀杀人犯就被河蟹鸟??那里的合唱团这段时间都应该在庆祝Walthamstow狂欢的人群吧? 那可是被警察调查出来的犯罪情景啊。
   (民主自由的英国BBC的留言其实也是要审核的,国内的民猪精蝇们震惊、失望鸟)

  The Chinese showed their rich heritage and history in a dignified and
beautiful performance.
  Us? We showed just what a farce 2012 will be.
  Our country's heritage (prior to the last government!) is one to be
proud of. We have customs and a richer history than many others. So why are we showing a logo from the 70's (I'm a designer, it's shocking!) and a
display of ageing rock, one-hit wonders, chavs and only modern London?
  I'm proud to be English, but in 2012? I may be moving...  
  Angela, Chesterfield
  中国人以一种高贵和美仑美焕的演出,展现了他们最辉煌的历史和灿烂的文化.
  我们呢??我们却只显示了2012年一场闹剧.
  我们国家的历史文化值得我们每个人骄傲,我们有着比世界上其他任何国家都丰富的习俗和历史.那我们为什么却要拿出一个70年代的logo(我是个设计师,太雷人了 !)和过时的摇滚blabla的东西,以及现代的伦敦来秀?? 作为英国人我很骄傲,但是对于2012??我可能会搬走.....

     Why couldn't the BBC TV commentators just shut up when there is music on the screen? They did the same stupid thing at the opening and once again today. The TV is there for us to WATCH and when the music is on why give commentary? Also so much about history and the meaning of this and the meaning of that and the symbolism of this and that. For Heavans sake WHY did they not just shut up and let us listen to the music, to the drums and all that was happening. This was a disastrous coverage.   Hercules, London
 BBC电视播音员能不能在音乐响起的时候闭上他的乌鸦嘴??他们今天又和开幕式的时候一样犯了同样的错误.音乐响器的时候,电视是给我们"看"的,为什么在那里JJWW说个不停?? 太多太多关于历史的评论了,一会儿这个是什么,一会儿那个是什么,这个代表什么,那个象征什么.有完没完!!上帝啊,为什么他们不闭上臭嘴让我们好好聆听这音乐,鼓声以及所有的一切?这场报道真TMD恶心

  606: "A beautifully organised Games all around, then Boris appears,
jacket undone, looking like a drunk who gatecrashed the party, what an
embarrassment."
  一场有条不紊的庆祝仪式华美进行中,这时boris(伦敦市长)像个醉汉一样敞着领子突然闯了进来,真他妈令人尴尬。
  
  AND HERE'S BECKS! AND A WOMAN IN A RUNNING OUTFIT PLAYING A VIOLIN! Becks boots a ball into the crowd... just the one, and it doesn't quite make the crowd... a couple of officials have a bit of a scrabble over it... and that's that, London's eight minutes are up... what to make of that?
  小贝出来了!还有在跑动人群中拉小提琴的女人。小贝将一个足球踢向人群。。。只有一个,没有引起太大的骚动。。。两个工作人员乱扒了一通。。。就这些,伦敦八 分钟结束了。。。谁明白这是想表达什么意思吗?

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我竟然全部看完了
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LS的,真的假的呀?佩服佩服

我是直接蹦你这来了。

LZ辛苦了,顶一下。

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那个市长是有点甩搭甩搭的,,大概奥运会在他们看来不值一文,只不过是一个大一点的运动会吧
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  QUOTE:
原帖由 Winter74 于 2008-8-27 16:26:00 发表
那个市长是有点甩搭甩搭的,,大概奥运会在他们看来不值一文,只不过是一个大一点的运动会吧


人家这是第3次了,一般在有了第一次后,人们会感觉不过如此.
每次看相约星期六都会想入非非!!!
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开幕式我最喜欢大脚丫一步一步走向鸟巢,很有创意...但闭幕式我看到一半就睡着了....

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不太好没感觉
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大家的文化背景不同
2008-8-27 21:28:00   IP:保密
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